He was mocking them BOTH through the whole fight. Darth Maul was in his prime right before his death in episode 1. ROTJ luke out skills kenobi. The other Jedi was Aayla Secura, and Maul was not winning. But he defeated them while there were 3 or more at a time. First he dodged one attack, then another, then Sidious went all out and basically speedblitzed him: Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. And a result was a stalemate until Luke jumped Vader and attacked while amped by rage. That is, if we take the Expanded Universe into account. And he stomped Maul. 19 years later, he encountered former Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi(Under the alias "Ben Kenobi") and joined the Rebel Alliance to bring down the Galactic Empire. And this is SoD/TCW Maul. This. Of course vader lost his potential when he was put into the suite, but he should still be able to hold his own if amped. He only lost due to being tired and off guard. No he hasn't. Sidious was playing with Maul the entire fight. The force doesn't come into play here since Luke doesn't use it in combat. Your argument is that even post-Savage's death, Sidious was playing with Maul. Potential usually is irrelevant. 7/28/2020. 4 months ago. What was the last good cartoon Cartoon Network made? It is a comic so it only showed one panel of them fighting but that is all you can expect form a comic. Because Luke's potential is greater than Anakin's, so he progressed quite quickly. MORALS ON FOR EACH ROUND.ROUND 1ROTJ Luke vs TPM MaulForce, Sabers, All OutROUND 2ROTJ Luke vs SoD MaulForce, Sabers, All OutROUND 3Dark Empire Luke v that means you don't know what you are talking about since at most I'm 2 numbers off on something. You can either intelligently answer or not say anything, because even though it is my opinion if you would rank them much differently that means you don't know what you are talking about since at most I'm 2 numbers off on something. Even in those last 20 seconds. Although Maul is a very skilled lightsaber-wielder and an experienced fighter overall, Luke is a stronger jedi, biologically (since he is the son of Anakin). If we took them at their primes, Luke wins 8/10 times, ROTJ vs Rebels Maul wins 6/10, anything before ROTJ Maul wins 10/10 times. It is ridiculous to say Luke who only had a couple weeks of training could defeat one of the deadliest sith of all times who had over 15 years of intense sith training. The episode, on the other hand, Maul is evidently fighting harder and angrier than he ever has before, due to the sheer hatred induced by Savage's death and Sidious' declaration that he's been replaced, and in addition Sidious isn't exactly going all out - but what's important is he's putting noticeably more focus and effort into fighting Maul at this point than he was at any point earlier. We're talking about TPM Maul here so this discussion is basically irrelevant to the thread. So IF he could survive the initial assault, Luke would win. I'd give a shout to the time he deposed the current Mandalore and simultaneously united the entirety of the criminal underground with enough efficiency to engage in full scale war with the CIS, capture Count Dooku and General Grievous and have them dead to rights, and force Sidious himself to confront Maul and Talzin personally on Dathomir. 0. Luke would win. How do you think about the answers? Anyways, it's not speculation. He would've lost quite solidly if he stayed since Mace>Maul. Yeah. So much bad logic going on here I don't know who to call out first. Very close, however, Maul is far more experienced at this point and has a broader fighting style. He's much more aggressive, and in my opinion he's faster. @i_like_swords: Hows that make Maul a mastermind? Vader is a 9 in force for obvious reasons. Like I said, the novel represents a fight between them with Maul fighting at regular levels and Sidious going all out, whereas the episode represents what would happen if Maul was fighting at his absolute peak and if Sidious entertained a serious duel with him. I think Any movie or TV show Maul beats Luke up until ROTJ, where only Rebels and season seven TCW Maul stand a chance. If potential did count, Anakin would be better than Yoda. But yeah, Sidious>Vader. I gave him an 8 in the force due to his potential, but he hasn't reached it yet. In lightsaber combat Vader would lose to ROS Anikan. Maul: Maul > Tenebrae? Even though Maul just held Mace back, not being instantly killed by being ganged up by the second strongest jedi and another knight proves he is high tier. I don't see why not. Still have questions? Luke. ? He locked blades with Windu once and kicked Aayla and then fled. A college coach turning down money? It is obvious they were both past there prime. OOC Daten3. But Luke is a better Jedi, more proficient in the Force and more creative in its use. Think you're exaggerating the gap between the two if you think Mace takes a "solid" victory. Level Six. Ehhhh....do not want, Maul NEVER struck me as any type of mastermind, always assassin/warrior. Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) was a male human-cyborg Dark Lord of the Sith and the third and final apprentice of Darth Sidious, who first appeared in the Star Wars original trilogy, and later in the prequel trilogy. Scheming Mastermind is just a statement right now. He has no feats above TPM Maul in skill, hence why I said this can go either way in my original post. Luke Skywalker (* 19 VSY auf Polis Massa; † 34 NSY auf Ahch-To) war der Sohn von Senatorin Padmé Amidala und Anakin Skywalker. Like I said, it's an even split between these two as far as dueling goes. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Warum ich Luke abgegebe6. Surviving the intial assault would be the issue. After the former returned from exile he began being written as a mastermind (see The Sith Hunters, Death Sentence, SW.com and really any source from that time period). Because when Sidious actually did get serious, he moved so fast Maul saw "countless blades". Both variations of him are the strongest beings with the force and can use and manipulate it with ease. I don't think Maul would stomp Luke. In Shadow Consiparcy, Sidious blitzed Maul and disarmed him as soon as he actually went serious. Vader wasn't trying his hardest to kill him. The assassin thing used to be the case (albeit a very, very capable assassin at that), but recently SW.com and some creator commentary has overwritten that; Sidious is now meant to have trained Maul to be a "scheming mastermind" who was going to someday take over for him if need be. only in the last 20 seconds when maul is angry does sidious stop messing around. RP-Story7. I think it would be like Qui Gon vs Maul. Vorwort2. If Sidious did go all out, he would pretty much blitz Maul. @noah_ouellette: What movie feats does Luke have? Er war der Zwillingsbruder von Prinzessin Leia Organa . He felt engorged with this power, it surged like black fire, demon electrons looking for ground...but he would wait. Assuming this is the case when they fight, the initial edge goes to Maul. As someone indicated to me some time ago; the novelisation of the final fight is how the fight'd play out if Sidious was going all out from the get-go and Maul was fighting on normal levels. Indeed, a factual one from an out-of-universe source. LOL. Or for another perspective, the time it took for Dooku to dispatch Tiplee. At that point it was clear Vader wanted to kill Luke and keep Leia instead. It is obvious they were both past there prime. Please show me Vader doing something in the new canon that puts him above Maul. Maul has that physical edge and training that wins him the fight. @alextheboss: You're doing God's work, mate. Anakin From Episode 2 VS Darth Maul From Episode 1Both are armed only with their own Lighsabers. Phantom menace kenobi out skilled maul. It's a feat very few other duelists would be capable of even with the same aids given to Maul. Dooku was more the former. Maul was out dueling Qui gon and Obi wan at the same time. T-Shirts, Poster, Sticker, Wohndeko und mehr zum Thema Darth Maul in hochwertiger Qualität von unabhängigen Künstlern und Designern aus aller Welt. Also based on canon feats Maul has better feats than Vader. 2. @playa1: What suggests TFU is Vader's prime? Even though Maul just held Mace back, not being instantly killed by being ganged up by the second strongest jedi and another knight proves he is high tier. Maul has much more experience as a duelist. After Savage died Maul fought sidous evenly for about 30 seconds and even pushed him back. @nishi99: Or a potential successor to the most powerful Sith to ever exist. @wollfmyth209: Sidious showed no signs of holding back in those last 20 seconds, stop speculating. Nah. I definitely could not see Luke defeating Qui Gon Jin and Obi Wan at the same time. This is our first movie, so please, tell us what to do better and please NO RUDE COMMENTS! After the fall of the empire, he would go on to establish the New Jedi Order and eventually serve as its Grand Master. Because when Sidious actually did get serious, he moved so fast Maul saw "countless blades". Even Sidous was pushed by Maul. Fight takes place on The son of famous Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, he was left on Tatooine with his aunt and uncle after the fall of the Jedi Order. Luke's Force edge, while by a good degree, will be negligable given his tendencies. lol A little bit of research always helps people. Maul has to be about a 9 in lightsaber combat do to matching sidious for an extended amount of time when sidious could kill masters like kit fisto in seconds. Der Gewinner ist der die beste Sicht zu Google hat. Actor Elliot Page files for divorce from Emma Portner, 30-year Wall Street veteran says buyer beware, State tries to ditch stockpile of Trump-touted drug, Beloved NBA TV reporter Sekou Smith dies at 48, Carmaker will give away $2M if this happens in Super Bowl, Sore loser? (Star Wars) Why Storm Trooper's equipment sucks? Thus 7 is too low. Vorwort: Guten Tag, meine werten… Follow 928. BAHAHAHAHA based on canon feats? Maul was the only one to land a hit, so he was technically winning, even though he would of lost eventually. For it was an honor, and a noble activity, to kneel at his ruler's feet. He locked blades with Windu once and kicked Aayla and then fled. Maul's face showed no reaction to speeding over Anakin, as his eyes were fixed on Qui-Gon. Yeah, this fight can basically go either way. Why do you assume I meant Tenebrae? What feats does ROJ Luke have that put him above Maul, Maul: Lightsaber: 9 Force: 7 (clone wars) 8. As for skills Luke was at least high Jedi Master level like his father in ROTS or stronger because he was trained one on one with Yoda to beat Vader and Sidious. Here we go again. And he didn't defeat him, he stalemated him. But Luke was a more-than-proficient Lightsaber duelist, so I would say he could at least fend off the initial attack. Luke, by RotJ, isn't exactly matching TCW Maul in power either. Without a doubt, Luke Skywalker is the most famous Jedi of all time. He has no feats or accolades that place him far above their mark at all. So that's why I said it can go either way. Maul should be a tier 8 duelist, and a tier 6 or 7 Force user if TPM. Followers ... Darth Maul baby shakes, Luke's best feats in canon are trash atm. His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. @i_like_swords: ....uh movie versions? Vader and Luke are not two numbers below Maul as a duelist - that is the epitome of ridiculous. Vader is the most effective jedi killer in the SW universe what are you talking about? And then, well you know what happened. Standard gear for both and they are in-character. Maul has that physical edge and training that wins him the fight. Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor. @dccomicsrule2011: Actually they do have feats backing them up. @crushyourenemies: If you paid any attention to what I was saying you would know that I already knew sidious started out toying with maul. Vader and Luke aren't a 4 or 10 in lightsaber combat. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Blade locking with Mace a few times and kicking Aayla's impressive. He would put up a good fight against Maul, but lose due to his lack of training and experience. Eh. While Darth Vader vs Maul would be slightly more difficult for Skywalker due to his slowed movements and Maul's quickstep, Vader would easily be able to halt Maul with a simple force choke, rendering him useless. This is Return of the Jedi Luke Skywalker vs The Phantom Menace Darth Maul. Seahawks OT accused of assault, Redditor bets on GameStop to pay off student loans, Amanda Gorman dishes on Obamas’ inauguration chat. Sidious wasn't holding back in terms of lightsaber combat, just the force. In Shadow Conspiracy Maul wasn't dual-wielding and wasn't nearly as rage-enhanced as he was in the episode. Also based on canon feats Maul has better feats than Vader. Luke as of RoTJ would also get blitzed, ragdolled, or spanked by Sidious as well. Luke Skywalker is the main protagonist of the Star Wars original trilogy. Why were the reporters gushinig ga-ga over every aspect of the Inauguration from images, Bernie's gloves to the shoes of Kamala Harris? 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